Joseph Cultice: 00:02:02 Little Pentax me, supra with a bad Sigma lens that makes it really funky and distorted. What would you say was the difference? Like how did you approach it differently? I'm assuming at the time you were just shooting? Raymond: 00:01:55 Music was your first love. I was taking tons of pictures, but it wasn't like, here I want to do a band album cover But it was all because the meat puppets asked me to take their band photo. So then as the photography grew and I got better and better at it and got more a warm fuzzies for doing it, I became a photographer and then I really did make it a conscious decision that I'm getting, this is what I'm going to do. I don't think any of these are conscious decisions, but they, when I go back and have to answer these, this question, that's the that's the real reason I didn't want to be famous. And I had gotten a couple of little tastes of what it was like to be famous for an a band and I just, I didn't want to do it anymore. Joseph Cultice: 00:01:06 And then I started doing more and more pictures of them later cause I was in a band and the band just dissolved. So I probably did say don't tell them cause I didn't want to be known as taking photographs for whatever reason that picture came out. And then they didn't use my name on the picture credit for the album. The meat puppets lived down the street from me and they knew I was taking photographs and they were like, can you take our photos for this thing? And I'm like, sure, just don't, you know, I don't know if I said don't tell anybody, but they didn't tell anybody. I was doing it in school, but I'd never really imagined a life as a photographer. Joseph Cultice: 00:00:17 Well, see, I grew up in Phoenix and I was in a couple of bands, punk rock bands and I was taking photographs all the time at the punk rock shows. Tell me when you knew that photography was going to play a major role in your life. But for you, I want to take a little bit of a different approach because you've been doing this for so long. Raymond: 00:00:00 Normally I ask like I always love to start from the beginning.
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